Gangland on Discovery is gone but now there is Gangsters: America’s Most Evil on Biography. The first episode of this season of the show, airing Tuesday June 18th at 10, is titled, “The Mongol Warlord : Ruben ‘Doc’ Cavazos.”
And, some few of you might wonder what the hell I am doing in it. From what I can tell, I don’t really have much to say on the subject of the Mongols during the Doc years. But this website does believe in transparency. And there are undoubtedly some of you out there who have not yet been on television to talk about how Angels, Mongols, Vagos, Bandidos, Outlaws, Highwaymen, Pagans, Warlocks and so on earn their red, black and green wings.
So here, pretty much verbatim, is how I came to appear, however briefly, in this amazing, postmodern thing.
12/14/12
Dear Mr. Davis,
My name is Liz and I’m working on an A&E/Biography Channel documentary series. We will produce an episode about Ruben “Doc” Cavazos and tell his life story. In my research, I came across your book, Out Bad, and would love the opportunity to speak with you at your earliest convenience. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you,
Liz Gonzalez
Associate Producer, Asylum Entertainment
Dear Liz,
Tell me more about who you are and the name of your series.
Rebel
Dear Rebel,
Thank you for getting back to me. I work for a TV production company called Asylum Entertainment and the series we are producing is called, Gangsters. Our program is a biography documentary series and each episode will be unique to the subject we are profiling. The series will premiere on The Biography Channel and air on A&E. Are you available to talk sometime next week? Let me know if you need anything else.
Sincerely,
Liz
12/15/12
Dear Liz,
I presume you’ve read what I have had to say about Doc on the website. I don’t think I would have anything more to add to what I’ve already stated. But, let me recommend some people to you who I suspect would be delighted to chat with you about Doc on or off camera:
Frank Girardot who writes about crime for the San Gabriel Valley News frank.girardot@sgvn.com
Chris Blatchford at Fox 11 in el lay who has a little history with Doc chris.blatchford@foxtv.com
Doc’s brother Al at althesuit@xxxxx.com
Doc’s literary agent Alan Nevins at alan@rltagency.net
And, of course Ciccone and Kozlowski and all the gang at Glendale ATF and I am sure you already have their email addresses. I presume you know where Doc is. Right? In case you want to talk to him?
Feel free to write me anytime.
You have a Merry Christmas Liz,
Rebel
12/17/12
Dear Rebel,
Thank you for this information. Your Mongols expertise is integral for our program. Would you be interested in an on-camera interview with us? We would be thrilled to hear all about your book and blog.
Thanks,
Liz
That’s what got me. Liz told me people would be thrilled to hear all about my book and blog. Book sales. Hits. This thing might be worth as much as another $400 in my pocket, I thought. I continued to think about that for another couple weeks.
1/4/13
Hi Rebel,
I’m writing to check in with you. As I mentioned below, we would love to hear from you for our program and only looking to hear about the information you put up on your site. If you don’t want your image in the public, we can always keep your identity anonymous. We can silhouette and distort your voice. Please let me know your thoughts when you have a chance.
Thank you and happy new year,
Liz
1/5/13
Dear Liz,
Sure. Okay. Contact me Monday so we can work out the details.
Rebel
1/8/13
Hi Rebel,
I’m writing to check in with you. I was out sick yesterday, so I apologize for the delay. Would you be available to meet with us on January 22nd or January 23rd? Your interview will take no more than an hour. In any case, let me know what works for you.
Thanks,
Liz
Dear Liz,
Tuesday the 22nd works for me. Keep me informed.
Rebel
Hi Rebel,
Great! What time works for you? 10 am?
Liz
Dear Liz,
Ten is a little early. Where am I going? I don’t have a car. I have a motorcycle. If it rains, I’m not sure that the joy of doing this favor for you quite offsets the chore of riding on the freeway for an hour in the fucking rain. Tell me again. What do you want to know?
Have a nice week,
Rebel
1/9/13
Hi Rebel,
I apologize for any inconvenience. We can set something up in the late afternoon/evening. Just let me know what time works for you. Nevertheless, if the weather or anything else comes up, we completely understand and can reschedule. The interview will be in Sherman Oaks, but if it’s easiest for us to come to you, we can arrange that as well. For your interview, we will ask you questions about your book and blog with the focus on your Mongols expertise. We will definitely plug your book in the show, which will optimistically give your book more readership. In any case, we appreciate very much you taking the time to meet with us!
Talk soon,
Liz
Dear Liz,
Tuesday January 22nd at 11 a.m. in Sherman Oaks is fine if the weather is clear or cloudy. Send me an address. Remind me by email before the 22nd.
Okay?
Have a good day,
Rebel
Hi Rebel,
Sounds good. The interview will be held at:
Courtyard Los Angeles Sherman Oaks, 15433 Ventura Blvd., Sherman Oaks, California 91403, Suite#: TBD
I will check in with you prior to the interview. We look forward to meeting you.
Best,
Liz
1/18/13
Hi Rebel,
I’m writing to check in. The weather looks clear for Tuesday. Can we plan on meeting you Tuesday at 11 am?
Thanks,
Liz
Dear Liz,
Yeah, my weather app says sunny and 75. Barring a fatal accident on the 405, I am pretty sure I will be there. Do you have a room number yet? Or should I look for an intern in the parking lot asking every passing motorcyclist, “Are you Rebel? Is your name Rebel?”
Enjoy your weekend,
Rebel
Hi Rebel,
We hope you arrive safe and sound! We won’t have a room number until we check in, but I will be in the lobby waiting for you. Just in case, my phone number is xxx-xxx-xxxx. You will meet my executive producer, Charles Kreisa. We look forward to meeting you next week!
Thanks,
Liz
1/22/13
I was on time. Liz was not in the parking garage or the lobby and she did not answer her phone. Occasional tourists came and went. I was the only person there in a motorcycle jacket and I got the eerie feeling that I was being watched and that whoever was watching me was waiting for me to try to steal something – a lamp maybe or a couch. Eventually a thirty-something, Hollywood-looking, Valley guy asked me if I was Rebel. He was Charles Kreisa, the executive producer who would be interviewing me. He had a very well thumbed copy of Out Bad in his hand with dozens of bookmarks sticking out.
We couldn’t go upstairs yet, he explained, because other interviews were “running a little late.” We talked for about ten minutes and I said the same things I always say: “Don’t trust the police;” “everything you think you know about motorcycle clubs is wrong;” “the Mongols investigation was particularly dirty.” Charles seemed to respect and accept my opinions.
What I really wanted to know was, “Who’s gonna validate my parking?”
“Oh, no problem. I will on the way out.”
So then I realized it was going to cost me fifteen bucks to back out of the interview.
Eventually Liz came down with Thom Mrozek, the public affairs guy for the United States Attorney for the Central District of California. We said hello. I told Mrozek he writes great press releases and he said thanks. Charles told me that John Ciccone, who was the ATF case agent on Operation Black Rain, had been interviewed the day before.
And then for the next two hours, with the promise of book sales fluttering in my head, Charles asked me questions about things I had said in Out Bad and I answered him in the same spirit in which the book was written. From time to time we would stop while the camera guy changed tapes. Then I would clap my hands to synchronize the sound and we would start talking again.
Afterward, I signed a piece of paper and, true to his word, Charles validated my parking.
It was a basically painless experience, except for the construction on the San Diego Freeway through the Sepulveda Pass. And, I was pretty sure that most of what I said wasn’t going to air anyway. It wasn’t that I didn’t trust Liz and Charles but I had no idea who told them what they could and couldn’t say on TV.
1/24/13
Hi Don,
I just wanted to send over a quick note to thank you very much for taking the time to meet with us on Tuesday! I will be in touch.
Best,
Liz
Dear Lizbeth,
My pleasure, Liz. I enjoyed meeting you and Charles. Charles needs a colorful nickname. I just hope I gave you something you can use. Remember, call me Donald Charles Davis.
Enjoy your weekends,
Rebel
2/7/13
Hi Don,
Question for you. From your book, I believe you mentioned that Doc’s book and the show Gangland were seized as evidence. Do you know if ATF retained this evidence? Thanks for your feedback.
Dear Liz,
Photographs from Doc’s book and outtakes as well as aired footage from the Gangland episode were “entered into” evidence during US v Cavazos et al. Discovery Channel, or whoever the network was, still owns and airs the Gangland episode. I’m not sure who owns the book. Doc’s plea deal is still sealed. It is likely that Doc’s book was forfeited as part of the plea and sentencing agreement but I don’t know. Doc wouldn’t tell me. Among the many questions I asked William Morrow was “who is getting the royalties from Honor Few Fear None.” William Morrow won’t talk to me. Give them a call. Maybe they will talk to you. Alan Nevins at Renaissance Literary & Talent must know and he will probably talk to you.
Gangland, I think the corporation was Gangland LLC, just gave the outtakes to the ATF. I am sure that the ATF kept multiple copies of everything.
The Mongols saying, by the way is “Respect Few Fear None” which was copyrighted by the San Diego chapter of the Mongols. Dago, and its chapter President Mike Munz, refused to let Doc use the motto for his book so Doc changed “respect” to “honor.”
Does that help?
Ask me anything,
Rebel
Hi Don,
Thank you for this information. This is very helpful. I will let you know if any additional questions come up.
Liz
6/4/13
Hi Don,
I just got the update that episode 13: Ruben “Doc” Cavazos will premiere on Tuesday, June 18th at 10 pm on the BIO channel. I will make sure to send over a DVD once it airs.
Thanks,
Liz
Wondering What I Said
A week later, a friend of mine who rides a motorcycle and sometimes rides with friends asked me about this show. He seemed to know more about it than I did and he was surprised to learn I was in it.
Someone at Biography has written this synopsis of the show:
“Following a deadly brawl between the Hells Angels and Mongols Motorcycle Clubs in 2002, Cavazos came to national prominence. During his reign as the Mongols’ president, he expanded the club’s membership by recruiting local street thugs with affiliations to the Mexican Mafia. Federal agents say Doc’s aim was to take on the Hells Angels and run a massive criminal enterprise engaged in drug running, murder and intimidation. But Doc’s power grab came with consequences. During his time in charge, agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives infiltrated the club and piled on the evidence for a federal racketeering indictment. Many Mongols say Cavazos’ hunger for fame would be his ultimate downfall and drive him to turn on his brothers.”
I am pretty sure I would have phrased that a little differently.
And, I still don’t know what I said. In the preview of the episode I have seen, I notice that my dialogue seems to be limited to the words “Doc Cavazos rose rapidly….”
And, I am not sure I am going to watch the show. But some of you might be more interested in it than I am.
You can see a clip from the show here.